S1 Episode 3

[deanna_nwosu]: On today’s show, I have a childhood friend of mine, Cynthia D. Harris, with 8:28 Consulting, She is a marketing researcher, a qualitative  researcher, and just a really fun human. She’s one of my closest friends. And she has traveled all around the world, both Um, during her school days, as a solo traveler for work for personal reasons, And she has a great experience that she shares with us here on the show today, so please sit back. Enjoy this  episode. Uh, while we talk to Cynthia about the duality of energy and peace,  while traveling.

[deanna_nwosu]: Welcome everyone to another episode of the podcast. I am so excited about today’s guest. I have known this individual since we were children. We grew up in church together, so um, she’s very special to me, but um, I am so happy to.  uh. have Cynthia  Harris from 8:28 Consulting with me, Cynthia, welcomed to the show.

[cynthia_harris]: Thank you, Diana. I’m very excited to be here. you’ along one of my favorite people, So it’s exciting to be a part of this.

[deanna_nwosu]: Yeah, so today will just be you know, like a uh, inside look at, you know, one of me and my favorite girlfriends. We actually have been doing weekly mastermind sessions for about a year and a half, so Um, if you want to behind the scenes of view, that’s kind of what this is today.

[cynthia_harris]: Yes, been epic.

[deanna_nwosu]: so Cynthia, tell, uh, tell the audience a little bit about who you are. What you do, Um, and where you work.

[cynthia_harris]: So everybody. I’m Cynthia Harris and I’m the founder and managing director of 8:28 Consulting. and we essentially dig into the lives of humans to help inform brand decisions. So we’re qualitative research and strategy firm, and we do everything from focus groups to in-depth interviews, and sometimes we even as consumers to record their life experiences so that we can dissect what’s happening so that we can inform brand decisions that happen for a wide range of friends, from tech companies to consumer package goods companies, and even pharmaceutical companies as well.

[deanna_nwosu]: So your work in marketing and brand insights. You know, you’ve been in this industry for quite a while. You know what, fifteen years or so, and this is kind of what got you started in your travel journey. Would you say

[cynthia_harris]: it is. it absolutely is. So I was lucky to work for a phenomenal company. Bath and body works as a young child. I look back on it and was such a kid back then, but even in college, you know, I had the fortunate pleasure of traveling the country to kind of find different insights at different bath and body work stores across the nation, and the head of consumer and market insights there at the company, she said to me, once, When you travel, you should live how the people live, And that is kind of where I got. My certain travel is how I realized that experiencing local cultures was such a transformative experience. Yes, it had business benefits, but personally it really expanded my mindset and it got me curious about traveling.

[deanna_nwosu]: Yeah, thank God for um, work-sponsored travel. I mean, it’s can be a slog, but it definitely is a nice perk when you can see new places and meet new people that you wouldn’t have, otherwise, Um, now fast forward a few years. Uh, when you were getting your M. B, A and uh, let the people know where you went to, Uh, undergrad and graduate school.

[cynthia_harris]: I’d gladly let you know I, I am what some might call a double buck. So I went to the Ohio State University both for undergrad, but also from an n B A as well, So that’s where I studied and then, if you can’t tell, I’m a proud buckeye go bucks.

[deanna_nwosu]: Yeah, uh, I went to another state school in Ohio, So outside of Uh, the state  schools, S I Ohio State fan. But you know us other Ohio grads outside of Uh, the Ohio State just always have a chuckle at that little pronoun Um. But the reason I mentioned your time at The Ohio State University was during your M. B. A experience. you also studied abroad, so talk about  that a little bit.

[cynthia_harris]: Yeah, for sure, So when I was a graduate student, I knew that I wanted to have a multinational career. I knew that I wanted to work on a global scale. I had the fortune of working on a domestic business at Bath and Body Works before my graduate studies, but I wanted to see what it looked like to kind of manage business and understand people and cultures on a more global scale, So while I was at Ohio State doing my graduate work, I had two steady broad opportunities As a matter of fact, The first was to India, where I spent a month in India, consulting with a company called ToTo Motors. It’s a motor company, one of the largest in India, but I went with a group of students and we were there for a month. Yes, we consulted with the company, but we also had the great fortune of spending time in the country, and you know, traveling around India. The second was when I spent six months in Italy, so I decided to do my last semester of my N B A from Milan, Italy. There’s a school  there called Bocconi University, and they are very well known for luxury marketing and for consumer behavior, And so by all means I tell people I went for academics, but I also went for the red wine. Of course, because we have some of the best wide in the world, so uh, yeah, definitely, I would say, the academia gave me the opportunity to do what I love even more so while pursuing my studies, So it was an incredible experience,

[deanna_nwosu]: Yeah, really a trip. You know your studies, but also your professional career, and a little dabbling in wine and food along the way, Um, for those of you who don’t know Cynthia  as well as I do, Uh, my friend is a jet setter but she is a. She likes the finer things in life. Let’s put it that way, way, Cynthia_ uh, has a wide variety of travel experiences. But when I heard about you studying in India, I just was thinking Wow, I just cannot see Cynthia living it up in India, of all places, Just the mind, you know, we all have our  preconceived notions about different locations, so talk about your experience  in India. Just from that, that background of you know how you typically like  to travel and the experiences you seek out.

[cynthia_harris]: so Deanna selling all of my business. It is true, but I like to travel in luxury. That is true. But you know what I loved about India was. it was the exact opposite paradigm of everything I knew as normal. Um, so in India, it looks to the outside eye like it’s chaotic right. There’s no street lines. As an example, there’s people everywhere. there’s straight dogs everywhere, the complete antithesis of America. But because it is such a paradigm shift and  that is their normal, it transformed the way I view people in general, because I  realize that there is no such thing as normal, and I credit India for that. Would  people ask me, as they often do? Where’s the best place you’ve visited Or where is your favorite place to travel? I always say India consistently, because it was such a transformative experience for me, So yes, it’s true, Deana. I mean, certainly we weren’t at a Ritz Carlton, every might while in India. but in terms of growth as a  human being, I would say that that month I spent there to transformed my inner being and helped me see the world in a very different way, and for that I will  always be grateful to the people in India.

[deanna_nwosu]: It’s It’s funny you mentioned that I had another guest on the podcast and we kind of talked about how Um, the experiences that maybe aren’t uh as  traditional for us or aren’t what we uh, ex expect. You know, I kind of mentioned our stay in Mexico at the infamous AirBnB, and how it can still have a lifetime impact on you and the memory can just you know, I laugh to this day about that, a b and b, and this was you know going on six months ago. Um, And so it’s just interesting that you mention that while India may not be, you know, outside, looking in like it’s chaotic. it’s phonetic it. It may not be what some people consider you know the best travel experience. From your standpoint, it’s really transformed how you look at the world, and that’s why we all travel right. or

[cynthia_harris]: It’s very true.

[deanna_nwosu]: I hope most people travel.

[cynthia_harris]: I was just going to say the reality is that growth is chaotic right. So even though growth may be  uncomfortable, you know growth may challenge us and challenge our own thinking. It never really feels comfortable right. So there’s something about traveling that  puts you in an uncomfortable space so inevitably when you travel and get outside of your comfort zone growth occurs. I. It has always consistently occurred for me on, and that’s part of the reason why I like to put myself in uncomfortable situations, and I encourage other people to do the same because you will not come back the same.

[deanna_nwosu]: I love that you mention uncomfortable situations. It’s a great segue to what I want to ask you now, Um, you went on a great adventure right before covid, and I want to give you the opportunity to talk about that how you decided to  embark on the remote year adventure, and kind of your overall reflections on that experience.

[cynthia_harris]: Absolutely. So the adventure that you’re talking about, which was the adventure of my life is remote year, which Um, anybody can look at up remote year dot com if you want a referral code hit me up later,

[deanna_nwosu]: Let’s monetize. Let’s monetize.

[cynthia_harris]: but you know I had made the decision that I wanted to take a sabbatical from corporate America. After nearly fifteen years of being in a corporate space and very high demanding jobs. I decided I wanted to take some time to really consider what did I want to do for the back half of my career. What impact did I really want to make for the back half of my career? So I was one of the people that responded to an Instagram advertisement, Um, that talked about remote year, and kind of showed these epic pictures of people on mountains and people swimming in seas. And by the way, they were working full time as well, so I looked into the program, Spoke to people that were currently on the program at the time. I also spoke to past participants and they all highly recommended doing the program. Um. And so I decided to sign up for a six month program where I traveled the world for six months with about twenty five to thirty other people who are now friends. People that I talk to regularly, Um, and we went from Croatia from Split, Croatia to  Valencia, Spain, with then went to Lisbon, Portugal, down to Cape Town. South Africa. after South Africa, we went to Santiago, Chile. After she lay, we went to Lima, Peru, and then I topped it off with a trip to Brazil. Um for a couple of weeks with a friend from home. But yeah, it was an incredible experience and again, this was all pre-pandemic. We literally got back in February of 2020 and we are still just reaming with gratitude that our program was able to conclude right before a corona virus really kicked off in America. Um. And so you know, we were one of the fortunate programs that got to complete Um. And so now I know they’re up and running again and I’m thrilled to see it, because I know that the people that are on the program now are going to have transformative experiences and just hopefully their eyes will be open. That you can really work effectively from anywhere, And so you can have adventures on the weekend and so be productive during the week. So it was an incredible experience to say the least.

[deanna_nwosu]: Yeah, so Um, can you enlighten people a little bit on what did you find was  kind of the difference in traveling with remote year versus your normal  travels, whether they be for work or personal reasons?

[cynthia_harris]: Yeah, good question. So you know, there certainly are some differences and I think you know you have to kind of decide for yourself what works for you. What I enjoyed about the remote year experience was. I didn’t have to think about the logistics of travel right. So the company puts you up in an apartment. You get a co working space, and then they plan side trips as well, and the unspoken benefit is the  community that you build. Uh, So for those four reasons, I would say I really enjoyed the remote year experience. It’s not the cheapest experience. It certainly is, cost it at a premium, but you’re paying for the convenience of the logistics in the scheduling, et cetera, I. In that way I could be focused on my work. I could be focused on building my business while they focus on theligistics, on. in terms of traveling alone, which I do quite a bit as well. there’s some beauty in that too.  right, you know, there’s some beauty and saying, hey, I want to take today off and just explore. There’s beauty in not having to coordinate schedules with everybody, or you know, seeing or not seeing something based on what the group wants to see, right, so there’s certainly beauty and soul travel. Um, I would definitely recommend finding community if you’re going to do. so travel for an extended period of time. And so there’s lots of communities out there. Remote years are great one, but there’s a hackers in paradise. There’s plenty of other communities as well where you can plug in and meet other nomadic people who are exploring a place. I, so. Yeah, I certainly you know people have asked me. Do you prefer civil travel or group travel and this is such a cop out of answer, But I don’t have a preference. They both have pluses and minuses and they’re both incredible experiences. For me. The bottom line is just be willing to get out and to explore the world. Um, it certainly will change you, But then it makes you appreciate home more as well. So yeah,

[deanna_nwosu]: Oh, I, I totally know what you. What you mean there in terms of you know,  after I usually hit the the wall at about the ten day mark, when it’s just like I want to be in my own bed. I want to be at my own home. I want to be able to use my own bathroom, And you just want the the comforts of home. Um, but from that point being out and seeing how other people live, seeing how other cultures operate, do help you appreciate Um. those, uh comforts of home, especially Um, for us, Americans that are used to American efficiencies, American customer service, and when we experience you know things that are different in other cultures, it makes us appreciate it even more.

[cynthia_harris]: that’s right, and I appreciate American targets. That’s what. target and chick ballet. Those are the things that I miss the most when I’m out of the country, but yeah,

[deanna_nwosu]: I think that’s valid. I think that’s fair. you know, like the upper echelon of the retail fast. For sure, you, uh, spent, you know about a month or so in each location that you visited. Do you feel like that gave you a better, uh, more realistic, More honest view of how the locals lived in those locations.

[cynthia_harris]: it definitely did, but I’d say that a month is just an appetizer to truly experiencing a place. so in my experience, you know the first week is you’re just settling in. You’re trying to find the gym you’re going to work out at. You’re. trying to find the coffee shop that you want to have your coffee in the morning at. You know, so you’re just kind of laying the groundwork We, too. You start to build a confidence. That kind of explore a place and get out and talk to people. Week three, you found your jam. You’re kind of in your groove, and then week for you’re kind of grieving that you have to leave in another week. So, I’d say that while it’s a great experience and it does force you to kind of understand how to grocery shop effectively, or you know, there were times that we had to figure out how to mail packages, which in some countries can take some time, right, Um, you know, I honestly feel like to really truly experience a culture you need a little bit more than a month. I’ve had the privilege of staying some places a little bit more than a month, and I have to say you know those are the places where I really created lifelong friendships. You know, I have a lot of Italian friends that I still speak to, but I was there for six months, so of course I was going to probably form deeper relationships there. Um, so yeah, I think a month is a good time as an appetizer to a culture, but certainly I would recommend a little bit longer than that if your intent is to really die deep into a cultural experience.

[deanna_nwosu]: So sticking with the the food theme, The food, An, So, if a month is an appetizer and you kind of had a six month, you had a six appetizer tray in front of you. What was your favorite Uh selection on the menu? Mean? what? what location? Just? I will definitely go back. I didn’t have enough time and it just really, you know, had an impact on you.

[cynthia_harris]: Yeah, you know, that’s such a tough question. Because of each of the places we went to a remote year they all have a unique special place in my heart. Of course, Um, you know, and I’ like different places for different things, so for example, Lisbon, Portugal, as you know, Diiana, I absolutely love Lisbon. I would pack up my life and move there tomorrow if it made sense for me to do so. uh. but you know the place that has always captured my heart is Cape Town, South Africa. Uh, So when I went with Remote year, that was my fourth time in Cape town, Believe it or not, so, I already had some familiarity with the place, but every time I go to Cape Town, I  feel like I discover something new about the culture about the land about things to do. Um. and this was no exception to that. This time you know, I spent time in Robin Island, which is where Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for many years on,  you know who would subsequently become the president of South Africa. Um, and you know it is just mind blowing to be toured around Robin Island with somebody who was in prison with Nelson Mandela. I mean, you know there’s certainly a short amount of time for us to have those experiences because those people are getting a lot older now you know, But that was a a moment that really stood out to me and really impacted me. And yeah, I’d have to say that Ke Town by far is one of my favorite cities on earth. I mean, it’s historical significant. It’s topography, the mountains, but then you have the beautiful ocean. there’s boating, there’s climbing, there’s just there’s wineries. There’s just incredible things to do in Cape towns. I’d say that that would be my main entree if I have to call it a food.

[deanna_nwosu]: Oh very nice. so for for our listeners and viewers who maybe have never been to the continent of Africa. Try and put us in your shoes. that first moment you walk off the plane or out of the airport. Listen of keep town, South Africa. What’s kind of  the one thing that’s going to hit you immediately is at a certain sight is at a certain smell. Is it a certain vibe from the people? What’s kind of like your first impression or your most indelible impression of Cape Town, South Africa?

[cynthia_harris]: Good question. so I’m trying to transport myself to the moment that we landed and we gather all of our bags of which I had the most, which is probably no surprise to you.

[deanna_nwosu]: Just because Cynthia is a very well verse traveler does not mean she has mastered the art of packing light. Let’s just say that,

[cynthia_harris]: I’m terrible. I am terrible with packing.  I can tell you what restaurants to go through, but I can’t tell you out to pack, but you know I’d say you know the people are incredibly inviting. I would describe it as inviting. It’s very colorful. You immediately are just blown away by the mountains that you see when you depart from the airport, And you know you see towns of impoverished people who have been affected by systemic oppression due to apartheid. But then you also see tall buildings that are vast in luxury buildings where you know business owners reside in. Um. you know this great kind of a chasm of we. So the jux’ position of them is quite interesting. To say the least, uh, but as you kind of drive to your destination, the the roads are very windy, right, they’re You’re going up and down hills. you’re going in and out of lanes. Um. it’s certainly a very kind of windy experience. But the anticipation of what Cape Town has to offer definitely overtakes your emotion as you’re going into the city. And so as you get into Cape Town again, it feels like a metropolitan city just with  some African flare, So you’ll see different uh, types of shops and things that you don’t ordinarily see in a place like the United States. Um. it’s just incredible.  The food is very fresh. you know, on. the music around is just very vibrant. Uh, there are lots of different neighborhoods filled with lots of different people. Uh, the people of South Africa are still kind of normalizing, but this life post-apartheid, Um, which was not. it was fifty years ago right. So it wasn’t that long ago that they just abolished apartheid, that and you can see that very very handedly in their culture. In terms of you know who’s who’s in the restaurant, you see black and white people dining together, which is kind of a new normal for South Africa. Um, and so yeah, it’s an incredible place full of color full of  vibrancy, full of life, full of energy and full of peace. At the same time, It’s quite interesting that they have a balance of energy and peace in the same place.

[deanna_nwosu]: Oh, I like the balance of energy and peace. I think that’s an idea I can ascribe to for sure. Now tell me about, and this can be throughout your your travels on remote. You are any other travels that you’ve encountered before, But think of a memorable person that you had an exchange with when you are out traveling the world that you just will never forget and just really made an impact upon you.

[cynthia_harris]: Good question. So the first time I went to South Africa was probably two thousand five. So, quite some time ago I was in undergrad, and Um, I was going to study in Cape Town, but we sated in Johannesburg, and on the way over we flew South African Airways and one of the flight attendants. Um. his name was Ummbunthu, Um. he said, You know, I want to tell you more about my country. So I sat with him in one of the jumper chairs on the plane, and he described his experiences as a black South  African man, And you know what his experience now is like as a flight attendant and how he’s able to support his family, and uh, just his love for his land and his people was indelible. It was something that I will still to this day never forget.  Um, and so we arrived to our hotel. We check in, and this man had sent me flowers and a bunch of list of things to do well in Johannesburg, which for me really impacted me. And still this say. I have no clue how he figured out how to send me specifically flowers with a list of things to do, but I think that that shows you the spirit of the people of South Africa, how they want people to come and really experience the land. So I, I know I could have chosen any specific experience, but that particular experience really impacted me and allowed me to have a much more local experience than what I think I would have had if I would have just had to you know, kind of Google and discover things on my own, which, now that I think about it, I’m not sure that there was Google Back then. I remember I remember two  thousand five when I needed to call home, having to go to the corner shop and getting a calling card, And you know I had to buy minutes to call home. So now that I think that I’m not sure that Google was a thing back then, but nonetheless I had an incredibly local experience due to this very generous man on my flight.

[deanna_nwosu]: Mhm. Mhm, Um, having traveled with you uh, domestically and internationally, I will say that you are a master at Uh, befriending locals and not just befriending them, but um, always working a um recommendation out of them. Whether it’s a a site, we need to see some food. we need to eat places we need to go, People we need to meet. You definitely are a master at that. So

[cynthia_harris]: Well, thank you Deanna,

[deanna_nwosu]: where when are you going to have your master course available and teaching  people how to engage with the locals during their travels.

[cynthia_harris]: I love it well again. I shared with you earlier and I, I really live by the words  live. How the locals live. Let me say that again, live how the locals live. That is how you really experience a place. You know nothing against the red lobsters of the world. But if you’re going to a new place and you’re just  having red lobster, you’ve not experienced what it’s like to be a part of the culture right. So I, I highly believe that we should all live how locals live and support local. And  that’s how you really get to know the fabric and the d n A of a place. So yeah, that’s an interesting idea to do a master class next year and I maybe I’ll do that some day.

[deanna_nwosu]: you know I. we love to give business, Uh ideas. Where of new products and  services on this show So happy to pass that along, yeah. So your work in consumer insights and qualitative research. Do you feel it’s kind of like the chicken up versus the egg? right? How much of your travel impact your ability to have these conversations with consumers? That sometimes it can be products that are on the more personal side? I know you’ve worked in health care with some. You know, some uh, medical trials and things of that nature. But or is it more so that your work in the consumer insights helps you relate to people in different experiences. What the chicken versus the egg kind of philosophy. Between the two of those?

[cynthia_harris]: Yeah, I think it’s a little bit of both, Deanna, So you know, here’s the thing. We are. all a collection of all of our experiences Right if  you’ve had ten experiences, That is who you are. As a person, you are a collection of those ten experiences. If you’ve had ten million experiences, that is who you are. You are a collection of those ten million experiences and having traveled and having experienced so many different cultures, it allows me to connect with a wide range of people in a much deeper level than what I probably would be able to if I’ve only had ten experiences. Right, um, so an example of that is, you know when I’m speaking to a person who is interested in brown spirits as an example, and they talk about having been to of region And you know France as an example, and I have been to that region as well. I’m able to kind of tailor questions in a way that is  relatable because they’ve mentioned they’ve been there. I’ve also been there around there, so I can kind of relate to them in a way, Uh, that allows me to have much more deeper impact, and uh, get more deep insight into their life experience, so I’d have to say you know they’re kind of. they’re kind of relationships that help  one another out. My my work as a researcher helps me be a better traveler. My travel and my experience and my curiosity about poulters helps me be a better  researcher, so they kind of work in Can in tandem if I had to describe it. But yeah, I definitely think that it’s all about collecting experiences. In general, I think that life is about collecting experiences. so the more experiences you have, the chances are greater that you can connect with people in a more deep level  because it’s likely that they may have had a similar experience. I hope that  answers your question.

[deanna_nwosu]: Yeah, absolutely, and and that kind of synopsis right there is why I wanted to have you on the show because I feel like your background is so varied, but I think the thing that the the common thread between everything is your  inquisitiveness, your curiosity. and that can be with people. places or things right. You want to dive deeper. You want to learn more. Um, so I think that’s  why it’s perfect that you’re in the field that you’re in, Because it’s research. so it’s always about diving deep and digging beyond. You know what’s on the surface. Um, but it’s also connecting with people. It’s also kind of connecting the dots right. not just um, meeting someone. but like, Hey, this conversation that I had with this person in merit of Mexico, under the the umbrella of being here in Meri, to Mexico. What’s my take away on this place? Correct? You know. So, um, that’s why I had you hear. because I just I love the. the. As you mentioned, the the tandem of those two things, and how they kind of work in cohesion. Um, and the yin and yang of that.

[cynthia_harris]: I was just going to say On the curiosity point, I used to get in trouble for my curiosity growing up, you know, and it’s that very curiosity that I now built a  business on and that very curiosity is helping brands make solid decisions for their consumers, so I’d like to encourage people to not only allow curiosity but  encourage it. You know that I’m very close to my little five year old nephew, who now is at a stage where he asks a lot of questions, and often his question is very simple and instead of being frustrated we cultivate that in him, we let him ask why, We encourage him to ask why, Because that’s how he’s going to collect his own experiences, and that how he’s going to discover the world. So, while curiosity with something that I was grounded for a lot as a child, it is the very thing that I hope to leave as a legacy is just the spirit of curiosity in this world,

[deanna_nwosu]: Ooh, I love that leaving a legacy of the spirit of curiosity. Um, it makes me think of. I, I remember seeing this clip on Instagram or Facebook of Neil deGrasse Tyson, and he’s kind of a renowned scientist and philosopher, and he talked kind of about what you just mentioned, and parents need to let children get messy get dirty. Make mistakes, because that is going to breed that curiosity. That’s going to breed the inquisitiveness, Um, and let it grow. And so many times you know I’m guilty of it as well with my kids, Um, we don’t want to answer questions. we don’t want to deal with messes, so we um, unknowingly kind of put out the light or redeem their light, or we put out their fire of their inquisitive nature. Um, so I appreciate that you are cultivating that in um, Isaiah, little Teddy, as I like to call him, Uh, because you know those there are future, so having those future scientists future mathematicians, future leaders, future politicians. You want them to be people that are knowledge seekers and not someone who just kind of takes what is given to them if you will.

[cynthia_harris]: I can’t agree more.

[deanna_nwosu]: Um, so Cynthia, We, We are almost at the close today. It’s been a great conversation, but um, I like asking this of all of my guests, so I’m going to put you on the spot. Um. but uh have done it to the other guests as well. But if you had to pick a song to convey your experience in Cape Town, South Africa, whether it’s your first or your second visit. what would that be and why?

[cynthia_harris]: Hm. That’s a very. That’s a very good question. The first song that comes to mind is “Don’t Mind” by Kent Jones, You know the song that goes, You, telling me this, You telling me that, because he talks about lots of different places, For some reason that’s coming to mind, I have no clue. Why ask me again? I can come up with a better song, But that’s what’s coming to mind.

[deanna_nwosu]: no, I love. I think it’s a great opportunity to also introduce listeners to music. Maybe they’ve never heard, haven’t listened to before. So um, obscure is also an awesome option as well, so I appreciate that. well, Cynthia, this has been a great conversation. I’m so

[cynthia_harris]: Love. sure.

[deanna_nwosu]: happy that you. um, said yes, when I asked you to be on the show because I knew you had some great insights to give people. But before we go, let my listeners know where they can find you. Uh, on the inter webs.

[cynthia_harris]: Oh, okay, well, this has been wonderful. Thanks again for inviting me Deanna and I adore you and I’m so excited to hear her. All your other Gus is swellowing your pot pass on. But to find me you can find me at the828firm.com. That’s T, H, E, eight, two, eight, F, I, R, M dot com, or you can find me on LinkedIn just at Cynthia Harris, and you should see me in a white blazer.

[deanna_nwosu]: Awesome, Well, thank you so much, friend. And uh, where’s Where’s the next trip? Where is the next place we’re headed?

[cynthia_harris]: Well, I’m currently in Cincinnati, Ohio, which I used to live in Cincinnati, when I worked for Proctor and Gamble, So it’s fun to be here but beyond Cincinnati, you know, I don’t really have anything planned. Perhaps I’ll go back to Mexico. I have thinking about going back to Mexico, but before that I might go to new. or you know what, Deanna. I do have a trip plan. Now I think about it.  I know I don’t know why I’m acting like I have nothing planned.

[deanna_nwosu]: You always do. That’s why I figured.

[cynthia_harris]: I’m going to Savanna, Georgia. I’m taking my mom to Savannah, Georgia, flying first class. We’re going to stay at a very nice hotel. So, as the I mentioned earlier, I do like to travel in luxury, and now at a place in life where I can now bring my mom along on that luxury. So I’m very excited about that.

[deanna_nwosu]: Oh, well, maybe we ought to have you back and have a conversation on intergenerational travel and that experience so

[cynthia_harris]: I would love that. I would love that.

[deanna_nwosu]: well, thanks Cynthia, I hope you have a great rest of your day and thanks for being on the show.

[cynthia_harris]: Of course, thanks, Deanna. bye.

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